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Discussion for Today
[edit]- This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025_April_5
April 5
[edit]NEW NOMINATIONS
[edit]Category:Hebrew-language names
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: It looks like there is something multiwrong with this category.
- It has subcategories for given names and surnames, at the same time itself contains both names and surnames. I guess, it must be diffused and labelled accirdingly. --Altenmann >talk 23:47, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- It has subcategory category:Hebrew names of Jewish holy days - but it appears that its items such as Rosh Hashanah, etc. are not about the names but about the holidays themselves. I cannot tell about Hebrew language, but in English there is a clear distinction between an object and its name (and I recently learned the fancy term Onomatodoxy meaning that God and its name are the same :-) Therefore I think this category must be deleted. --Altenmann >talk 23:47, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- It has a fishy subcat Category:Lilith. I cannot nail precisely down what is wrong here, I guess the same as with a tentative subcat Category:Igor of Category:Slavic-language names, no? --Altenmann >talk 23:47, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- Subcat category:Modern names of Hebrew origin. It has no explanation what must be placed there. I guess Eve (name) is OK (or not?), but how come Ezekiel (name) is modern? Suggestion: define and cleanup --Altenmann >talk 23:47, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- Done with subcats.
- Now, it contains items Pardes Rimonim, Reshit Chochmah and the likes. Again, these about the books, not its names. By this logic I can put my recent articles Lehakat HaNahal, Hayu Zmanim and Zivan Aviad-Beer into here: the pretty much look like Hebrew-language names to me, although the "beer" part looks suspicious:-), but I have Tirtza Atar instead. --Altenmann >talk 23:47, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- As a matter of contraposition, if someone wanted to make a separate article, Etymology of the name Tel-Aviv, just like a beaouutiful one, "Etymology of California", complete with Category:Etymology of California (!), then surely it would belong here. --Altenmann >talk 00:14, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
- Final suggestion: What's in a Name?
- I guess this category and its nontrivial subcats must have clear descriptions. I understand nobody will read them when placing Zohar into it along with Zohar (name), but not Zohar (band). But it will be handy for a wikignome with a mop to clean it. --Altenmann >talk 23:54, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Articles about Hebrew-language names are of course ok to have in this category, but articles about any other Jewish topics are not. The fact that an article or subcategory has a Hebrew-language name is not relevant. We are categorizing content, not page names. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:22, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Which of the options should we go with?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:01, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
Category:Memorials to Rosa Parks
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Memorials to Rosa Parks to Category:Monuments and memorials to Rosa Parks
- Nominator's rationale: For consistency with Category:Monuments and memorials by person and Category:Monuments and memorials to American women --Another Believer (Talk) 03:01, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- At least purge the category, removing everything that is named after, but not commemmorating, the subject. No objection to renaming. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:34, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Also purge?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:59, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
Category:Kokborok-language film stubs
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Kokborok-language film stubs to Category:Indian film stubs
- Nominator's rationale: There are only two articles in this category - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 01:29, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- Just delete (and delete template too), the articles are already in Category:Indian film stubs. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:25, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete? I will tag the template.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:50, 5 April 2025 (UTC) - @OpalYosutebito: pinging for your thoughts. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:50, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
- Sounds alright to me. I was initially considering merging, but so far your reasoning has somewhat changed my mind... - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 03:13, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
Category:Memorials to Harriet Tubman
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: For consistency with Category:Monuments and memorials by person and Category:Monuments and memorials to American women --Another Believer (Talk) 03:02, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- At least purge the category, removing everything that is named after, but not commemmorating, the subject. No objection to renaming. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:33, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Also purge?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:50, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
Category:Memorials to Diana, Princess of Wales
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: For consistency with Category:Monuments and memorials by person and Category:Monuments and memorials to British women --Another Believer (Talk) 03:05, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- At least purge the category, removing everything that is named after, but not commemmorating, the subject. No objection to renaming. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:33, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Also purge?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:49, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
Category:Māori and Pacific Island scientists
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Māori and Pacific Island scientists to Category:New Zealand Māori scientists
- Nominator's rationale: I think that this should be renamed per c2c New Zealand Māori people by occupation, but I'm not sure that it's clear cut. SMasonGarrison 01:23, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:44, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. Even if restricted purely to New Zealand this would exclude Pasifika scientists such as Dianne Sika-Paotonu (who should probably be in this category as originally named) and for whom it would not make sense to split off a separate category. The better fix is to broaden the parent category and its hierarchy. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:19, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- We never put two different ethnic groups in one category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:40, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- @David Eppstein How would you suggest we split the category? SMasonGarrison 13:19, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- There should be a Category:Pasifika New Zealanders, the article Pasifika New Zealanders mentions several people fitting. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:56, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- Is it really two entirely different ethnic groups? "Pacific islander" can mostly mean Polynesian, and Maori are a subgroup of Polynesians. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:09, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- Polynesian is a higher level. We always have ethnic categories at the lowest level, as far as I am aware of. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:56, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- In this context they are two different ethnic groups, see Pasifika New Zealanders. Traumnovelle (talk) 02:40, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- Polynesian is a higher level. We always have ethnic categories at the lowest level, as far as I am aware of. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:56, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- @David Eppstein How would you suggest we split the category? SMasonGarrison 13:19, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- We never put two different ethnic groups in one category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:40, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- Support renaming/splitting this category. The parent category is only for Maori and these are two separate ethnic identities, bundling them together is odd and not something we do. A new category can be created for those without Maori ancestry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Traumnovelle (talk • contribs) 02:40, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename? Split? Something else?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:44, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
Category:Lists of political office-holders by province or territory in Canada
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Use "of" rather than "in", per Category:Categories by province or territory of Canada. I could have taken this to Speedy, but maybe someone has a better name. Note: the contents are not all holders of provincial offices, as they include subcats for mayors of places within the provinces. – Fayenatic London 22:05, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- Perhaps it would be better to purge the mayors, and rename as Lists of provincial and territorial political office-holders in Canada, per parent Category:Provincial and territorial political office-holders in Canada? But then the subcats would need to be nominated too. – Fayenatic London 22:17, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- Either the mayors are removed, then "of" becomes correct (but then the subcategories should be nominated too) or we can leave it as is. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:53, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Which option?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:24, 5 April 2025 (UTC)