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Male surname / Female given name

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Many WP film plot descriptions use a convention of male characters being referred to by their surname while female characters are referred to by their given name.

1. Has there been previous discussion of this disparity, in which case was there a conclusion and should it be added to the MOS?

2. If not, can we discuss it now? Masato.harada (talk) 11:09, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you're supposed to refer to them by their common name and be consistent so shouldn't be referring to men as their surname and women by their first name in the same plot summary. That said, at least socially, it seems weird to refer to a woman by her surname but seems to be common for a man. John McClane is often referred to as "McClane" but Holly is always "Holly" or "Ms Genarro" or "Mrs McClane" in Rickman's perfect delivery. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 12:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Generally the credited name is used. The credited name will match the social conventions for names in the fictional world of the story. The fallback Wikipedia convention is MOS:SURNAME and applies to both sexes. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:32, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion about Oscar bait

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There is a discussion I started at Talk:Oscar_bait#Oscar_bait_list regarding WP:SYNTH, WP:OR, and the inclusion of the bait list in an encyclopedic article. Input, especially those with interest in film awards, is welcome. Spectrallights (talk) 16:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Company navboxes

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I have been cleaning up individuals' navboxes per WP:FILMNAV, and I came across Template:Point Grey Pictures. I think that the spirit of WP:FILMNAV applies to this too because films usually have more than one company involved. Any objection to my nominating this for deletion under that argument? Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 22:26, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ben-Hur production sub-article

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There is a discussion about Ben-Hur (1959 film) and its sub-article Production of Ben-Hur (1959 film) underway. The discussion can be seen here: Talk:Ben-Hur (1959 film) § Production standalone article. Editors are invited to comment. Thanks, Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 22:10, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of film articles which are stubs?

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Hi all. I'm currently (slowly!) working through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:British_cinema_articles_needing_an_image fixing the Talk page for articles which do in fact already have images. Can someone please point me to a similar category page which lists British film articles which are currently stub class? Thanks! Tobyhoward (talk) 13:11, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I hope this is what you need: Category:Stub-Class British cinema articles. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 13:42, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect! Thanks very much @Erik! Tobyhoward (talk) 13:51, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Volunteers needed for content dispute on Russians at War film

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Greetings people, can you please participate in improving Russians at War film article. There is a discussion at the talk page, yes. Welcome. Pinging the opponent @UrbanVillager . ManyAreasExpert (talk) 17:13, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest revising your notification to avoid the appearance of WP:CANVASSING. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 19:02, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FAR for Gertie the Dinosaur

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I have nominated Gertie the Dinosaur for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 05:42, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Filipino animation#Requested move 7 December 2024

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Filipino animation#Requested move 7 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 16:09, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Linking to highest-grossing film of the year

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Geraldo Perez could you please explain why linking to the highest-grossing film of the year, as done here would come under WP:OVERLINKING, when they are widely used in FA-class articles such as Frozen 2? Krimuk2.0 (talk) 07:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The meaning of the phrase is obvious and doesn't need a definition link. The reference itself is the source and lists the other films so a pipe to another wiki article with the same info adds no value. It is also an WP:EGG pipe that doesn't actually define the phrase. We shouldn't be doing this in any article. Links to other articles that are related should be in the See also section, not hidden behind a pipe. Geraldo Perez (talk) 07:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not true. Highest-grossing films of 2024 is not an WP:EGG issue, not hidden behind a pipe, adds perfect value to the lead, and is currently mentioned in all top-grossing films of the year. So unless there is wider consensus to remove such a link from all these articles, one shouldn't edit-war on one single page like Moana 2. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 07:18, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The reference has the same info and is a reliable source so there is no added value to linking to another article. One issue in the general case of doing this is the linked wiki article is being used in lieu of a source, and when a source is actually there, the link is unnecessary. Geraldo Perez (talk) 07:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's a subjective choice and not a policy violation to edit-war over. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 07:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unnecessary links that add no value are the crux of overlinking. That is a guideline though, not a policy. I see a pointless link that adds no value and I explained why. You disagree based on the assertion that it is common practice to have this link and you see value in having it. I'm not planing on editing that part of the article again, my main original issue was the lack of a reference for the statement itself. Geraldo Perez (talk) 07:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Introducing Let's Connect

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Hello everyone,

I hope that you are in good spirits. My name is Serine Ben Brahim and I am a part of the Let’s Connect working group - a team of movement contributors/organizers and liaisons for 7 regions : MENA | South Asia | East, South East Asia, Pacific | Sub-Saharan Africa | Central & Eastern Europe | Northern & Western | Latina America.

Why are we outreaching to you?

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Wikimedia has 18 projects, and 17 that are solely run by the community, other than the Wikimedia Foundation. We want to hear from sister projects that some of us in the movement are not too familiar with and would like to know more about. We always want to hear from Wikipedia, but we also want to meet and hear from the community members in other sister projects too. We would like to hear your story and learn about the work you and your community do. You can review our past learning clinics here.

We want to invite community members who are:

  • Part of an organized group, official or not
  • A formally recognized affiliate or not
  • An individual who will bring their knowledge back to their community
  • An individual who wants to train others in their community on the learnings they received from the learning clinics.

To participate as a sharer and become a member of the Let’s Connect community you can sign up through this registration form.

Once you have registered, if you are interested, you can get to know the team via google meets or zoom to brainstorm an idea for a potential learning clinic about this project or just say hello and meet the team. Please email us at Letsconnectteam@wikimedia.org. We look forward to hearing from you :)

Many thanks and warm regards,

Let’s Connect Working Group Member

Let's_Connect_logo Serine Ben Brahim (talk) 11:19, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:The Desert Rats (film)#Requested move 3 December 2024

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:The Desert Rats (film)#Requested move 3 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 02:34, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unrealized projects discussion

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I launched a discussion at Talk:Luca Guadagnino's unrealized projects that I feel would benefit from having wider input. In regards to if currently still in development films count as "unrealized" or not. Rusted AutoParts 06:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s very frustrating this has not seen any contribution to. Rusted AutoParts 21:20, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Offtopic instigating
No, it's not. ZanderAlbatraz1145 (talk) 20:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What purpose does this remark serve except for antagonism? Rusted AutoParts 20:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely nothing. ZanderAlbatraz1145 (talk) 21:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help with Review for "The Misguided" Draft

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Hello,

I'm seeking assistance with the review process for the draft article "Draft:The Misguided". I initially submitted the draft for review on December 3rd. On December 12th, I followed up on my request and added a Reception section with a Rotten Tomatoes score to further demonstrate the film's notability. I believe the draft is well-sourced, comprehensive, and meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion.

Despite these efforts, I have not received any substantive response to my requests. I also sought input on the Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous), but the situation remains unresolved.

Could someone please advise me on how to proceed with getting this draft reviewed and moved to mainspace? Is there anything else I can do to move the process along?

Thank you for your help! Stan1900 (talk) 16:52, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is the hurry here? (and here [1]?) Axad12 (talk) 20:55, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's no guarantee that a draft will be reviewed or processed within a certain specific timeframe. You're not guaranteed a one-week or two-week response time at all — drafts get approved or rejected when an AFC reviewer gets around to them, and you're simply not entitled to demand that your draft receive more prompt attention than everybody else's drafts. Bearcat (talk) 15:49, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, see the currently-blocked user's talk page. There has been a lot going on with their contributions. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 16:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The user was indef blocked following this ANI thread [2]. The user was an obvious promotional WP:SPA and I'd suggest that readers not be drawn in to forwarding their agenda. Axad12 (talk) 16:25, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for Fantastic Four in film

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Fantastic Four in film has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 17:46, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Submission to the Academy Awards

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Hi, a quick question...

If a film is a submission to the Academy Awards (or any other awards) does this imply any significance, or is submitting a film just something that any minor film-maker can do with any minor film? Clarification on this point would be much appreciated.

Kind regards, Axad12 (talk) 13:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which categorie(s)? Nardog (talk) 13:44, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Short documentary. Axad12 (talk) 13:51, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it helps at all, it would seem that 104 films were submitted in the year in question, so I'm assuming that this is not particularly exclusive company. Axad12 (talk) 14:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For clarity, that is 104 films in that single category. Axad12 (talk) 14:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is pretty exclusive if you consider how many short documentaries there are in the world. A submission itself may not be significant, but the meeting of the criteria for it to be eligible may be, like winning an award at a festival. Nardog (talk) 14:28, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If I'm reading the link correctly, a film would only need to complete a commercial showing of at least 7 days in either Los Angeles County, California or anywhere in New York City before being released to other non-theatrical venues such as DVD or TV. Winning an award does not appear to be necessary. So, being a submission doesn't seem to me to infer any particular significance.
The broader issue here is the rather promotional article about director Alexander Tuschinski, authored 90% by the accounts of the subject and his publicist (whose activities can be seen here [3]).
In trying to establish how much of the article needs to be culled it would be useful to have some input on the significance of the awards listed in this part of the article [4]. A good number of the awards have articles on Wikipedia, but note that in many cases that is because Tuschinski's publicist created the relevant articles. Axad12 (talk) 14:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say it was necessary. I just pointed out what made the submission possible, rather than the submission by itself, may be significant, depending on which criteria were fulfilled. Nardog (talk) 14:46, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It would depend on the category. International Film, for example, is a category where each country has to have a committee select just one film from its entire cinematic output in that year to submit to the category — so that selection would indeed represent a distinction in and of itself even if the film doesn't ultimately land in the final five nominees. For most other categories, however, being submitted for Oscar consideration wouldn't be a notability claim in and of itself, although a film that gets submitted may very well have other reasonable notability claims — for example, some categories (I believe short documentary is one of these) essentially extend automatic consideration to films that win certain specific awards at certain specific qualifying film festivals, so the film festival award already constitutes a meaningful notability claim as it is.
Ultimately, however, the clincher is how well the film can or can't be reliably sourced. If the film can be shown to pass WP:GNG on its coverage, then it wouldn't matter whether we considered submission to be a notability claim or not because the film had already passed GNG as it is — and if it can't be shown to pass GNG on its coverage, then simple submission to a preliminary awards consideration pool probably wouldn't be enough in and of itself to exempt it from GNG. Remember that awards are one alternative among several notability paths, not a necessary condition that every film always has to have — films that have no award claims at all can still pass other criteria anyway, so the presence or absence of awards isn't the be-all and end-all by itself. Bearcat (talk) 15:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moviefone reliablitly

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I searched RSN and the archives here but no real guidance, so I was wondering if Moviefone is reliable to use as an inline source? I'm leaning towards no given it looks like a database a la IMDb, but wanted to see if any other editors have come across this or its use on articles. Thanks. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at Moviefone, it may have had a reliable publisher in the past, but I'm not sure about now. It may also depend on what part of the website is being used. Are we talking about the "News" section, or the reviews it has, or something else? Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 20:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It would be the "full cast and crew" tab/page for a film. The specific example I've come across it was trying to source new writer credits and an actor appearing for Captain America: Brave New World and its Moviefone page here. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see at the bottom of the Moviefone page, "This product uses the TMDb API but is not endorsed or certified by TMDb." Maybe these details came from there? It looks like TMDb is "a user-editable database". (Wow, I tried to link to TMDb, but it's apparently blacklisted... that may indicate something...) Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 16:22, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The poster here seems to confirm the writing credits? See the left and right of the bottom line of the billing block. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 16:36, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, other active editors at that article are aware of the billing block (that's what's stemmed this issue at that page), but no third party reliable sources have reported on these adjustments, so we have been cautious proceeding adding the information in and not sourcing it in the body of the article. Another editor found the Moviefone page so that's how we ended up here checking its reliability. But per your first comment about its connections with TMDb, seems unreliable as a user database. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:56, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure why the billing block is in question? It's like referencing the official website for basic crediting information. We can use primary sources for straightforward, descriptive statements of facts, per WP:PRIMARY. I'm not sure if it's possible for the billing block to become outdated or wrong (other than the cases of where others are unofficially deserving of certain credits). Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 17:06, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The billing block isn't being questioned, just the act of how to source it in the article's when no third-party source exists covering this information. We seem to have determined Moviefone is not reliable per my original comment. If we want to have further discussion on sourcing approaches, we can continue this discussion at Talk:Captain America: Brave New World#Poster billing block. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:45, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help needed for Hong Kong film

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Hello, I was trying to restore an article of a HK film, fixing link and adding source to HKMDB. This was rejected by User:JalenBarks, see talk page. Is any specialist able to help? Thanks in advance. --2A00:20:3004:F761:4CCF:894C:6F06:4CF6 (talk) 00:25, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff Sneider

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There is a discussion about whether Sneider should be considered a reliable source at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/noticeboard#Jeff Sneider / The InSneider which impacts multiple articles within the scope of this WikiProject. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for Wings (1927 film)

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Wings (1927 film) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 16:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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